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#27276: "Tunnel ability from Gnomes or Carpet Flight from F11 Stronghold shold work with shipping"

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31 Oct 2020 20:35 • stones314 • L'error encara no ha estat reproduït pels desenvolupadors:

Several times (move 180 and 188 for example) I tried to click on the F11 SH to activate carpet flight, then click on a hex to fly there. If the hex was reachable with shipping I did not use the carpet flight, meaning I did not have to pay a priest, and did not get any points. I wanted to use the carpet flight, and should be alowed to.

The same is probably true for the tunneling ability of the Gnomes.

31 Oct 2020 21:28 • Een • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

This is something to clarify actually... in TM, Dwarves and Fakirs had no shipping.

In the TM FAQ on BGG, it is mentioned that you can only use Tunneling or Carpet Flight "when needed".

If you can reach the hexes with shipping, Tunneling or Carpet Flight is "not needed", hence the current behaviour.

@Helge @Bastian, has there been a rule choice specifically on this? (I don't remember having read it in the rules; if it must be made possible, it's not something really easy to code...)

1 Nov 2020 09:13 • stones314 • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

It was discussed in a playtester-forum. I wrote the bug report after James Wolfpacker asked me to do it.

Regarding implementation, without seeing the code, would it not be possible to set shipping temporarily to 0 as the first thing after someone click on the carpet flight or tunnel action, then do whatever you normaly do when this action is performed, and afterwards set shipping back to what it was before?

9 Nov 2020 17:44 • Een • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

Thanks, but for any rules change or clarification we need a direct confirmation from the publishers (it implies development costs and it's often more complex than anticipated so we need complete clarity).

As much as possible, propositions from the playtesting group had better be reported as suggestions (not bugs) in order not to mix them with actual bugs.

10 Nov 2020 21:25 • JamesWolfpacker • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

I'm James Ataei, Designer of the Merchants of the Seas expansion.

This wasn't allowed at first, but we informed Helge that we played with the choice to ship or use ability on Tabletop Simulator. We said that not spending resources for VP would punish the ability. I confirm that Helge agreed that we can choose between using the tunnel/fly ability or using shipping.

I think that clicking the box for the ability should get a light green tint when activated so you know it's on or off.

10 Nov 2020 21:30 • JamesWolfpacker • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

Stones has a good idea to add a new Boolean to temporarily set shipping to 0.

Regarding the BGG TM FAQ, you can't tunnel or fly to a directly adjacent hex. Bridges are supposed to make 2 hexes directly adjacent.

10 Nov 2020 21:32 • JamesWolfpacker • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

If you can, give the Shipping Box a light red tint when the tunnel or fly option has a green tint.

10 Nov 2020 21:51 • zlorfik • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

This will be part of the next batch of updates. We can understand the way it is currently implemented but in Terra Mystica it was, to the best of my knowledge, impossible to have Carpet Flight or Dwarves Tunneling combined with shipping. So we needed a new ruling and our ruling is that only directly adjacent spaces are banned from using Carpet Flight or Tunneling.

19 Nov 2020 01:06 • JamesWolfpacker • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

There are also two other bugs with Carpet Flight and double spades using Fire 1 (2 spades) and the 4vp spade x2 town. It allows carpet flight, but it doesn't use the priest or give 5vp. I also upgraded to a Sanctuary, which made a town (took spade x2) and took Fire 1 for 2 more spades.

boardgamearena.com/bug?id=28194
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=27645

If you have a carpet or tunnel ability and gain a 1, 2, or 3 spade action

Then ONLY 1 hex can use the ability and pay the 1p for 5vp or 1w for 3vp. Any number of the spades can be used on this hex and workers can be added to transform it more.

Any other additional spades in that action must be directly adjacent or reachable by shipping.
Build on JUST ONE of the 1, 2, or 3 hexes.

Sometimes another spade action will get chained together with the first action. If that happens then the carpet or tunnel ability can be used once again. You can also use this from the range of the new dwelling that was built in the previous spade action.

The Eschar, Gnome, and Navigator Factions need some rigorous testing using the F9 SH carpet ability.

Navigators should get 2vp if it uses a carpet to build on a coastal hex.

19 Nov 2020 01:06 • JamesWolfpacker • Es necessita més informació per tal que els desenvolupadors puguin reproduir aquest error:

Here is the game...

boardgamearena.com/2/ageofinnovation?table=117026633

25 Nov 2020 18:32 • Een • Els desenvolupadors encara no han analitzat aquest suggeriment:

Bugs mentioned in this thread by JamesWolfpacker have been fixed.

The articulation with shipping is a suggestion that will be discussed for a next batch of updates. So we have updated the status of this report to "suggestion".

Please help us in the future keep things ordered by reporting playtesting suggestions directly in the suggestion category rather than bugs :-)

22 Apr 2021 22:50 • InnerCitySumo • Els desenvolupadors encara no han analitzat aquest suggeriment:

I can't believe this doesn't work yet it ruined my game

1 May 2021 16:46 • JamesWolfpacker • Els desenvolupadors encara no han analitzat aquest suggeriment:

I think there might be a misunderstanding here. The desired action still does not work as DocCool confirmed in this game after this move #444 linked below.

boardgamearena.com/2/ageofinnovation?table=161831799&replayFrom=444

You have the choice to use shipping OR tunnel/fly by spending the resources. In the lower left continent, the black player can't fly for vp and dig/build to the brown hex directly above because it is using the temp shipping.

I think that some are confused and think that shipping can be added to tunnel/fly or vice versa. That's not what we are talking about.

1 May 2021 20:41 • DocCool • Els desenvolupadors encara no han analitzat aquest suggeriment:

As mentioned by James above, I couldn't use the F9 ability to build or dig on a hex which I could also reach by ship. I clicked on the SH area, it then offered my a bunch of hexes (both those I could only reach via the SH ability, and those I could reach "normally" via adjacency or shipping), but when I selected a hex within shipping distance, it didn't use up a priest (and of course didn't gain me 4VP). No choice was given.

27 Apr 2024 10:46 • Rincevent123 • Els desenvolupadors pensen que no és una bona idea o que el seu rati de cost/benefici és massa alt:

after test everything seem to work as expected now

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#27276: "Tunnel ability from Gnomes or Carpet Flight from F11 Stronghold shold work with shipping"

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